Citizen Schwartz: Sun EVP Jonathan Schwartz on citizen pricing, Microsoft, and IBM's open source “offer“

Citizen Schwartz: Sun EVP Jonathan Schwartz on citizen pricing, Microsoft, and IBM's open source “offer“ "... we're talking to a different target. We're talking either to people who can't afford Microsoft, or politically are repulsed by them.
A lot of the nations in the world, especialy in South America and in Asia, view Microsoft as the nasty American monopoly. So their derision of the company is less associated with the artifacts of their technology than the way they run their business."
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"You see IBM as lagging the market?
No, I see IBM as leading the market and frustrated that they can't deliver a new feature in Websphere without customers coming back to them and saying, “but that's not in J2EE.” And I think that's very frustrating for them, because they want to be able to split off and do things that only come from IBM.
Some have suggested that IBM might move toward C#?
That would create turmoil in their marketplace, that is, the marketplace for IBM's customers. I think that would not be in IBM's best interests given that I've never in the history of computing seen any Microsoft technology benefit anyone other than Microsoft. If IBM's actually thinking about that they should repeat carefully: the difference between white mice and humans is that white mice learn."

Well, that certainly helps to elucidate Sun's software strategy.